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राजेन्द्रप्रसादः[सम्पादयतु]

Dear Lovysinghal, Namaskar. I want to state here that change in name of article राजेन्द्रप्रसादः to राजेन्द्र प्रसादः is not correct as per Sanskrit Language. Actually, your argument that there should be a space in first and last name does hold for Hindi and other languages, but not for Sanskrit. In Sanskrit, two parts of name, if rendered separately, must have inflection in each one, i.e. राजेन्द्रः प्रसादः rather than राजेन्द्र प्रसादः. Moreover, even this form is less popular than the joined name format (here, राजेन्द्रप्रसादः). At the most one can separate them by hyphen (-) if there remains ambiguity (राजेन्द्र-प्रसादः). But here also there is an argument that use of hyphen (-) is recent development and not according to Sanskrit rules. So you will find that most of names on Sanskrit wiki show up joined form of name, joined either by hyphen or without even that.
That said, your endeuvour on Sanskrit wiki is praiseworthy. Please keep it up. -Hemant wikikosh (चर्चा) ०७:३७, १९ फ़ेब्रुवरि २०१२ (UTC)

I bow down to your knowledge. Am moving it back to राजॆन्द्रप्रसाद: Hope that settles the matter. Thanks for your appreciation. Regards, लवी सिंघल: (चर्चा) ०८:२८, १९ फ़ेब्रुवरि २०१२ (UTC)
Thanks. I am honored by your words. -Hemant wikikosh (चर्चा) १४:३४, १९ फ़ेब्रुवरि २०१२ (UTC)

Thanks[सम्पादयतु]

Dear Lovysinghal, thanks a lot for housekeeping activities being done by you on Sanskrit wiki. This is a great help. -Hemant wikikosh (चर्चा) १९:२८, ८ नवम्बर् २०१२ (UTC)

Dear Shir Hemant, your words mean a lot to novice editors like me! Regrettably my Sanskrit has become too weak these days. Will you be able to look into फलकम्:चेतावनी-प्रयोगम्-१ and translate it to proper Sanskrit. I did try a bit. In addition, can youalso please look at some of the files which I've marked for deletion. Regards, लवी सिंघल: (चर्चा) ११:४५, ९ नवम्बर् २०१२ (UTC)

Regarding licenses[सम्पादयतु]

Good work! I've deleted most of copyvio-type material, but want some clarification for rest, if you can please help me:

  • 'This is an invalid fair-use image as alternatives are clearly available', can u point to alternative avlbl, so that we can use it (for M. S. subbalakshmi).
  • Orphaned fair-use - What does it mean (nepal logo)?

Regards. -Hemant wikikosh (चर्चा) १८:१२, १० नवम्बर् २०१२ (UTC)
Also I've corrected linguistic aspect of चेतावनी-प्रयोगम्, plz see if 'Thank you' has to be omitted from the end-line. I've changed its name to फलकम्:प्रबोधनं-प्रयोगे-१, this is because scholars r using प्रबोधनं etc. for 'warning'. प्रयोगे means 'in [case of] test'.
You can use these websites also: http://www.scribd.com/doc/100804570/English-Sanskrit-Computer-Dictionary - many words fall in computing regime and so r avlbl here. And spokensanskrit.de, which is famous online Sanskrit Dictionary. For any further help in linguistic aspect I will obviously be there. Thanks.-Hemant wikikosh (चर्चा) १८:१८, १० नवम्बर् २०१२ (UTC)

Hello, Thanks once again! The two images चित्रम्:M S Subbalakshmi.jpg and चित्रम्:Nepal gov logo.png in question are not currently being used on any of the sa.wiki pages. The first file was earlier being used for depiction purposes at एम्. एस्. सुब्बुलक्ष्मीः but now it has been replaced by a public domain image. Hence, it is not needed anymore and can be deleted. The second file is again not being used because there is a better SVG image File:Coat of arms of Nepal.svg available on Commons. Earlier it was in use at the page नेपालदेशः.
Thanks for translating at फलकम्:प्रबोधनं-प्रयोगे-१. The template move is perfectly fine with me. However, I've restored the English translation of the warning because I feel that we might be having non-sa speaking editors who make test edits. Therefore, it is better in such a situation to write the message in English too. Else, your decision will be the last :-) And finally, thank you for the Sanskrit references and your offer to help. I can hopefully relearn this beautiful language a bit. Regards, लवी सिंघल: (चर्चा) ११:१८, ११ नवम्बर् २०१२ (UTC)
Welcome! :) It's all right if these r the reasons for marking for deletion, I'm deleting them. Rest is ok. -Hemant wikikosh (चर्चा) १४:५५, ११ नवम्बर् २०१२ (UTC)

Abt Elements[सम्पादयतु]

Thanks for the notice. The article was supposed to be deleted a long time back. I have deleted it. Thank you.--Eukesh (चर्चा) १९:२३, २३ जनुवरि २०१३ (UTC)

Hey Eukesh, thanks for being a sport! There are still a couple of articles remaining to be deleted. But, perhaps you might have already noticed :-) Regards, लवी सिंघल: (चर्चा) २०:३९, २३ जनुवरि २०१३ (UTC)
I have deleted the ones that I found. If there are some more left, please do let me know. Cheers! --Eukesh (चर्चा) २०:४५, २३ जनुवरि २०१३ (UTC)

Regarding Basic Templates[सम्पादयतु]

On this wikipedia several basic templates are lacking. If u r interested, u can take on that work, as per ur time. I am saying so because i have seen that u have already created some helpful templates, but perhaps hesitating b/c of language problem. U can overcome this problem by putting all such new templates into a cat - भाषाशोधनार्थम् . And I'll check this cat regularly to correct the language and remove the category from it. This way u can work smoothly for templates. If u wish then let me know. Of course, u can do it as per ur availability of time. -Hemant wikikosh (चर्चा) १२:११, २८ जनुवरि २०१३ (UTC)

Dear Hemant ji! Your idea is really wonderful and it will be great to collaborate with you. I will suggest a very humble target of one template per week. I know its very low but that still gives us 52 more templates in an year! Also, I need to know if there is any list of already required templates, i.e., templates to which there currently are red links in article pages. Regards, लवी सिंघल: (चर्चा) १६:२७, २८ जनुवरि २०१३ (UTC)
No, in my knowledge there is no such list. I am ok with ur target.
You can urself see what types of templates r needed, and if there is need felt by me I'll let u know. e.g. u created मदद करें template, similarly other maintenance templates absent can be created, and also common article-related templates (infobox etc.). Since u have experience of working of wikipedia, I think u won't have any problem in locating vacuums here. Thanks.
NB- plz do use भाषाशोधनार्थम् cat (temporary) so that i can review. - Hemant wikikosh (चर्चा) १२:०८, २९ जनुवरि २०१३ (UTC)

Often used vibhakti[सम्पादयतु]

Namaste Lovysinghal ji. I noticed u r creating redirects from some vibhakti forms, with reason as 'often used'. My request is, plz don't create this type of redirects, as in Sanskrit, all seven vibhaktis are highly used. Indeed, there r more than 'commonly thought' usages of each vibhakti. So if we use that logic, we'll have to create redirects from each vibhakti. I think we don't have so much human resource :). So better don't apply such standard. Otherwise having redirects from some vibhaktis and not from others will only show that our wikipedia is highly 'imbalanced' and not 'well thought out'. What do u think? -Hemant wikikosh (चर्चा) १०:५३, १ फ़ेब्रुवरि २०१३ (UTC)

Hello Hemant ji, I agree with you that my edit summary "often used" is slightly wrong for lack of a better wording. But, IMO we should create and even encourage more of such redirects whenever we feel the need for one! Sanskrit is unique in the sense that nouns are modified according to the context. Suppose some new user adds a line स: [[उत्तरप्रदेशराज्यात्]] अस्ति। which (s)he finds displayed as स: उत्तरप्रदेशराज्यात् अस्ति। But, on looking at this (s)he can either be disappointed at the introduction of a red link, not save the edit at all or go about searching for the page which (in this case, it is much easy) but might be hard to locate in many cases. In any case, redirects are cheap and they will save a lot of future editing time for sa.wiki editors. I agree we don't have human resource to create redirects for all विभक्ति's. I'm sure bots can do the job but I do not know of anyone who can handle both Sanskrit and coding equally well! So for the time being, may be we can create redirects as and when we feel like. In the long term, I feel that this will be beneficial for the project. Please reply if you still have some reservations :-) Regards, लवी सिंघल: (चर्चा) ११:२१, १ फ़ेब्रुवरि २०१३ (UTC)
I must add that this is not readily possible through bot, because shabd roops vary widely not only for shabdaant swaras, but for gender etc. also, and we have no way to know gender of a title programmatically. And for shuddha inflection, final refuge is only Ashtadhyayi of Panini which is very complex, so to speak. e.g. राजा becomes राज्ञः, in षष्ठी, while पिता becomes पितुः (while both articles will have आ at end, and are masculine). And so finally, without a bot it is going to lead to 'very few' inflected forms, present here. If we take only singluar and plural even then one will have to manually create 14-1 = 13 redirects for each word, which is a burden for a new article creator (and so discouraging too). But if u have such strong feeling then u can continue with them :) . -Hemant wikikosh (चर्चा) १२:३१, १ फ़ेब्रुवरि २०१३ (UTC)

Good work![सम्पादयतु]

Ur work on templates is nice! -Hemant wikikosh (चर्चा) १०:५८, १ फ़ेब्रुवरि २०१३ (UTC)

Lovy Sighal mahodaya, your contributions to samskrit wiki is certainly commendable. I'm sure Hemant and you together can take this project to better heights. I had a suggestion on template creation which is purely based our requirement. For every new page created, an equivalent page needs to be created whose title is in English and that page is in turn redirected to the original samskrit page. This will help those new comers who are novice to the Samskrit Wikipedia and Devanagari usage in Wikipedia. I was wondering if we can have some template or bot do this job... if not we'll have to manually create such pages and redirect them. Please suggest.

SumanaKoundinya (चर्चा) ०९:२१, २ फ़ेब्रुवरि २०१३ (UTC)

नमस्कार सुमन जी,
Thanks for your appreciation of my little contribution. It's a language that I have always loved but sadly is very scratchy right now because of no practice. Regarding your suggestion to create English title redirects, I think it is not such a good idea because suppose we create a redirect [[United Nations]] for संयुक्‍तराष्‍ट्रसंघ:. Now, this will ofcourse redirect users who search for United Nations to the correct page. However, look at the flip side of things. Suppose a new user, say LS, who has very little knowledge of Sanskrit and is writing on the page about the Kashmir conflict and UN role. Since LS doesn't know much Sanskrit, he simply writes something like कश्मीरविवादे [[United Nations]] अपि हस्तक्षेपमाकरोत्। (Sorry the grammar in my example might be wrong too!) and if we have a redirect from United Nations to संयुक्‍तराष्ट्रसंघ:, then the link is LS' code will appear in blue instead of the current red state and such grammatical errors will only propagate further.
For example, to the best of my knowledge, en.wiki doesn't create redirects with wrong spellings of titles partly for the same reason as above. A better, but technically more challenging, solution can be that we do create such redirects and mark such wrongly titled redirects with a template for some bot where the bot replaces each occurence of the term "United Nations" with "संयुक्तराष्ट्रसंघः" in the text of article pages. That way errors will not propagate and we will be able to help the users too. Another solution might be for someone to tweak with the Searching algorithm of wikipedia with which I'm not too familiar. I hope I was able to explain what I wanted to. Regards, लवी सिंघल: (चर्चा) ११:१७, २ फ़ेब्रुवरि २०१३ (UTC)

I totally agree with your logic Lovy Singhalji, with respect to new article creation or editing an existing page by a new user. But I was thinking from searchability perspective. Newcomers might not be able to search in devanagari fonts directly. For example if we have a page भारतम्, we will create a page "bhaaratam"and redirect it to भारतम्. In fact in the early stages of this project, Shiju Alex also suggested this to us and they have been doing the same activity in Malayalam and Tamil Wikipedia too. My request was put up in this context. We could discuss the pros and cons of this with Hemant and the community as well if required. SumanaKoundinya (चर्चा) ०७:५२, ४ फ़ेब्रुवरि २०१३ (UTC)

Plz see rest of discussion here.

भाषाशोधनार्थम्[सम्पादयतु]

लवीसिङ्घलमहोदय नमस्कारः। You have started the process of template creation totally according to my dream :) . Now we can further finetune. I think if u follow these new rules too, it would be great-

  1. when u translate a word/phrase/sentence in an intricate syntax, place 'tr-' in the running text rather than in comment, so that u can do it faster. e.g. {{go|अहं नूतने पृष्ठे गच्छामि tr- I go to new page.}}
  2. when u don't translate some part (due to doubt etc.), write a word किम् at the end of the sentence, so that i can readily locate it (being in devanagari it will be clearly visible). e.g. - {{go|I go to new page. किम्}}

So now on my side the work will reduce to locating devanagari strings (translated ones OR किम्) and processing them each. This way we can ensure mistake-free review/process. Thanks for the help.-Hemant wikikosh (चर्चा) ०७:४४, २ फ़ेब्रुवरि २०१३ (UTC)

संगच्छध्वम्[सम्पादयतु]

Finally i have converged to ur logic of using redirects from shabd-rupas. So started the same. -Hemant wikikosh (चर्चा) १६:०९, २६ फ़ेब्रुवरि २०१३ (UTC)

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