विकिपीडिया:नीतिसभा

नामविश्व भाषान्तरणम्‌

प्रिय बन्धुवर्यः, मीडियाविकी इत्यस्याः सॉफ्टवेयर-प्रोग्रामर द्वारा संस्कृतभाषायां विकीपीडियासंस्करणे उपयुक्तपरिवर्तनार्थं वयं अधोहस्ताक्षरकृताः जनाः निम्नानुरोधाः अस्मिन्‌ https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/ जालपत्रे स्थातुं वाञ्छन्ति।--Manidiwakar ०९:५२, ७ मेय् २०१० (UTC)

Undersigned requests openions or support from those who know Sanskrit Language.Please do reply at your earliest or post your comment directly at संस्कृत विकिपीडिया:ग्रामस्य चौपालम्--Mahitgar १५:०३, १ पौषमाघे २००९ (UTC)

Dear Wikimedia Programmers, Since undersigned wants to create new articles in Sanskrit Language Wikipedia specialy in "Wikipedia" and "Help" Namespace;Correction in Namespace Names will help me and Sanskrit Language Wikipedia a Long way. We kindly request following localisation of Sanskrit Language Wikipedia at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/

• Namespace Current English Name 'Wikipedia' change the same to Sanskrit विकिपीडिया
  • Namespace Current semi-English Name 'Wikipediaसंभाषणं' change the same to Sanskrit विकिपीडिया संभाषणं

• Namespace Current English Name 'MediaWiki' change the same to Sanskrit मिडियाविकि
  • Namespace Current English Name 'MediaWiki talk' change the same to Sanskrit मिडियाविकि संभाषणं

• Namespace Current English Name 'Template' change the same to Sanskrit बिंबधर
  • Namespace Current English Name 'Template talk' change the same to Sanskrit बिंबधर संभाषणं

• Namespace Current Sanskrit Name 'उपकार:'(stands for 'Help') change the same to Sanskrit साहाय्य
  • Namespace Current Sanskrit Name 'उपकारसंभाषणं' (stands for 'Help talk') change the same to Sanskrit साहाय्य संभाषणं

Notes: 1)बिंबधर is a newly created applied term for Template.बिंब means an image that can transclude,and since a wikipedia template holds and helps transclude an image term created in sanskrit is बिंबधर

2)Help Namespace 'उपकार:' is being requested to be changed since 'उपकार:' means 'favour' where as right word for 'Help' in Sanskrit is available and is साहाय्य so this namespace change is being requested.

Please do reply at your earliest or post your comment directly at संस्कृत विकिपीडिया:ग्रामस्य चौपालम् --Mahitgar १५:०३, १ पौषमाघे २००९ (UTC)

Though I am not a great expert on Sanskrit, I do agree that second change to use "Sahay" instead of "upkar" makes sense. This is from my understanding of other indian languages , especially Hindi.

अहं समर्थन करोति| I agree with all the namespaces suggested, though I am not master or formally qualified in Sanskrit, but have studied sanskrit and am continuing studying it informally by reading scriptures and their translations, which has taught me a lot.--Dsvyas १२:५८, १४ पौषमाघे २००९ (UTC)

विश्वकोश or विज्ज्ञानकोश ?

Dear Naveen Sankar,Thaksforyour proof reading support at बिंबधर:मुखपृष्ठ सुस्वागतम्.Certainly I do not have required level of depth to make final decesion on proper translation of encyclopedia is विश्वकोश or विज्ज्ञानकोश ; at सम्भाषणसंस्कृतम शब्दकोशः I found विश्वकोश as available translation. May be you are using word विज्ज्ञानकोश as विज्ज्ञान means wisdom also. If it is so then ok but I wish you give one more consideration that in contemporary language majiority uses word विज्ज्ञान for sciences, and since scope of encyclopedia is beyond sciences visitors for one layman visitor will get confused and may avoid contributtions to non science subjects and for second that majiority of Sanskrit knowing peopel are not sciences and technology friendly and might avoid to go beyond introductory paregraph because of science word so My humble request is to think of continuation of विश्वकोश word; ofcourse fianal decesion I will leave to experts like you. Thanks and Regards --Mahitgar १५:३३, ४ फाल्गुने २००९ (UTC)

नमस्ते महीत्गर्, I am not an expert in sanskrit, actcually I know only thr basicd. Eventhough, as far as my knowledge, sanskrit words have meaning some what different from that they have in their common usage in hindi, marathi, gujarati etc. For example विज्ञान in sanskrit means 'wisdom' or 'special knowledge' while the same word means 'science' in hindi. But if we make a compromise for hindi, we will have to suffer a lot in other parts of the sanskrit encyclopedia. There are much more citations - like अन्तरिक्ष in hindi means space, but in sanskrit it means atmosphere. And for science, the common usage in sanskrit is शास्त्रम्, not विज्ञान. And please remember that here we are creating a sanskrit encyclopedia, not a hindi/marathi/bangali one. विश्वकोश: is a fare translation for encyclopedia. But the word doesn't convey the entire meaning of an encyclopedia. विश्व means 'World' and कोश means 'Cell' or Collection. But विज्ञानकोश: is a better word for encyclopedia as it means collection of wisdom / knowledge. And please remember, the spoken sanskrit dictionary is also like wikipedia. any one can edit it. So I hope we can change to विज्ञानकोश: or to विश्वविज्ञानकोश:. Expecting your positive reply --Naveen Sankar ०४:५७, १० फाल्गुने २००९ (UTC)

विकिपीडिया:लोगो,लेखन चर्चा

Request was made at [bugzill bug no.16857] bugzill has requested that,The image should be no bigger than 135 x 155 pixels, please fix it and reopen this bug. undersigned does not have requisite skills needed for the same please some one do help by providing needful change to bugzilla.Thanks and regards--Mahitgar ०७:५८, ८ फेब्रुवारी २००९ (UTC)

(Copyright image from Marathi Language wikipedia is being taken for using as matches with gramatically correct Sanskrit language wording and writing system.Image was posted by user user:कौस्तुभ on Marathi Language Wikipedia & commons as authorised logo for Marathi Language Wikipedia and the same is proposed tobe used on Sanskrit Language Wikipedia ) sa:चित्रं:Wiki.png

Image is updated

• at Sanskrit Wikipedia sa:चित्रं:Wiki.png
• at commons:File:Wikipedia-logo-sa.png
• at meta:Wikipedia_in_other_languages

समर्थन करोति Mahitgar ०९:२०, १ पौषमाघे २००९ (UTC)

Please see and vote which one is better or suggest a new one: mr:चित्र:wiki1.png mr:चित्र:wiki3.png mr:चित्र:myWiki4.png - कोल्हापुरी १३:२९, ९ फेब्रुवारी २००९ (UTC)

I like the one borrowed from Marathi Wikipedia -- sa:चित्रं:Wiki.png

अभय नातू १६:२९, १२ वैशाखज्येष्ठे २००९ (UTC)

How do we best translate Wikipedia The free encyclopedia to Sanskrit?

Wikipedia=विकिपीडिया the free encyclopedia = मुक्त: विश्वकोशम्

Please comment. Thanks--Eukesh १२:५७, २ आषाढश्रावणे २००७ (UTC)

My own knowledge of Sanskrit isn't good enough for this! What type of free does मुक्त: mean? No cost or freedom to edit? गिरिक ०५:४४, ८ आषाढश्रावणे २००७ (UTC)

Wikipedia in Pali is called विकिकोष (विकि 'wiki' + कोष 'dictionary, reference work'), so I don't see why we shouldn't use a similar name. (I would suggest the slightly more normalized spelling विकिकोशः-- with a visarga.) 'The Free Encyclopedia' would be (with proper sandhi) मुकतो विश्वकोशः . (मुक्त is free as in speech). --शिवः ०३:२१, ९ आषाढश्रावणे २००७ (UTC)

Gentlemen, 'Mukta' means 'free' as in 'free from any boundations'. For instance, a free bird is a 'muktpakshi'; a man freed from slavery is declared to be mukt; a soul free from the cycle of reincarnation is a 'muktaatmaa'. It cannot be used to portray free as in free of cost. It can, however be used to express free from copyright. The precise expression for the term free of cost would be nih-shulka or rather nishulk, which would literary mean devoid of any fee.

The current expression for Sanskrit Wikipedia, that is in use, is 'Swatantravishwavigyankoshah'. In my humble opinion it completely wrong. Swatantra is free as in sovereign; literary - 'having its own system [of governance]'. I have a limited experience of reading Sanskrit plays in original; and I have never come across an instance when this term was used to refer to anything but nation states.

The word Kosh does not properly means dictionary or reference work. Even though in Hindi language the word is used for that purpose. Etymologically, kosh is place of storage or rather safekeeping. The State Exchequer or rather the Royal Exchequer was refered to as Raj-Kosh.

In My opinion it wold be safer to seek expert advice on this matter from professors of any esteemed university. I would be happy to contact The Banaras Hindu University, whenever I visit the city of Varanasi in future. I request all of you to contact your local experts. 112.79.149.57 ०७:२३, २४ एप्रिल् २०१० (UTC) Prateek Mishra, (creativelipi.prateek @ gmail.com)

मुख्यपृष्ठम् conetnt

I want to strongly recommend that we drop दिनविशेषम् section from sanskrit wikipedia.Although this section looks simple at first look it is not so is very very heavy on time and effort consumption. And unfortunately we at sanskrit wikipedia do not have enough editorial manhour support to tkae care of that.If existing people first go for that articles will suffer very badly.

Secondly I will prefer 2 sections on main page that one gives links to Online sanskrit learning resources the second section gives info on Sanskrit teaching Universities and other sanskrit teaching centers.

On articles side we identify and target some 100 articles to full length, and some 5000 articles only first para in sanskrit.These first paras always be done maintain by high level experts. And we allow 2 show and hide sections first to include just transliteration to non devnagari script,and second to include translations of first para in all Indian languages. So it will be easier for people with leeser sanskrit knowledge like me to contribute while learning from the ideal one.

Rest of the people who do not have fluency in snskrit should also be allowed to contribute in second para onwards.

After acomplishing of first 5000 articles with first para then we take further target of 5000 in batches.

As I said let us have a policy of first para pure sanskrit , the rest of para let people use and import as many loan words from other languages as possible.Only pronouns only maintain in pure sanskrit ,import verbs wherever palatable and sankritise them as a धातू. While taking loan word first give preference to verbs of any indian language then to rest of the world langugaes and where we can not create words from धातू then agian from indian languge and not available in indian languge then world languges.The purpose is let languge flow as people languge and let sanskrit wikipedia become hub of inter languge cooperation for all indian languge wikipedia.

Well people can dis agree with me but let us please mention your disagreements here.

Mahitgar ०५:५०, १२ अक्टूबरमासः २००९ (UTC)

I agree this part to make Sanskrit Wikipedia as hub of inter language co-operation for all Indian Language Wikipedia. All Wikipedians who can speak any Indian Language can contribute here and experts can give light on them. Experts need to take care on maintaining the inter-communication with fixing typos, translation difficult words and other stuffs. All other people can help grow this wikipedia. Growth of Sanskrit Wikipdia should directly relate to growth of Indic Wikipedia and Open Knowledge. Ujjwol

Corrections required in main page

The word विकिपीडिय is written as विकिपीडिया in some places. Why old logo is used in main page when new logo is available? --Shijualex १६:०३, १९ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

Will look into it. Yes Michael? •^Talk १६:१०, १९ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

Actually, I think it is supposed to be विकिपीडिया itself. Or am I wrong? Yes Michael? •^Talk १६:१५, १९ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

//I think it is supposed to be विकिपीडिया itself.//

Sorry, you need to attend a Sanskrit class :). --Shijualex १६:२४, १९ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

I was referring to the discussion we had in a mailing list along with Naveen Sankar regarding the name, I do not know the outcome of the discussion, so I asked. Yes Michael? •^Talk १६:२७, १९ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

Here is the link to new logo. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia-logo-v2-sa.svg. Discuss it in community and ask for suggestions before applying for any logo update. --Shijualex १७:३६, १९ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

Okay. Yes Michael? •^Talk १७:५६, १९ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

Main page

Hello all,

Some of the Wikipedia images used in the main page reads विकिपीडिया, whereas the logo should read विकिपीडिय. I need the community's approval to change all of that to the correct spelling. Kindly comment. Yes Michael? •^Talk ०६:११, २० मेय् २०११ (UTC)

Both the forms seems good for me. I guess there has already been a discussion over this and people have settled for विकिपीडिय. I will also support this form. Moreover, it is easy to make verb-tense forms out of विकिपीडिय like विकिपीडियायाम् विकिपीडियस्य. Other Sanskrit pundits, correct me if I am wrong. - रामप्रियः ०७:२७, २० मेय् २०११ (UTC)

We will have to change some texts also in the फलकम्:मुख्यपृष्ठं - स्वागतम्. Vaibhav Jain ०७:५७, २० मेय् २०११ (UTC)

sa: शिजुएलेक्स वर्येण उपरि वर्णितः स्वसंशयः समीचीनमेव वर्तते। तत्तु विकिपीडिया इत्येव भवितव्यम्।

en: I see there is some doubt in our community whether it should be विकिपीडिया or विकिपीडिय. To me, there is no doubt that it should be विकिपीडिया not विकिपीडिय. Why? Because in any language proper noun is kept intact while translating.

Although Sanskrit has some exceptions in cases where original word is not much Sanskrit-friendly (i.e. word of which easy inflection not be possible), it is then modified to some extent. But instant word is not such one. We can use it as such (विकिपीडिया). But again if we use it in पुल्लिंग there will be some problem in making its शब्दरूप, which would then be like राजन् (राजा). So for making it 'layman-friendly' it is better to use the name in स्त्रीलिंग like बालिका. I mean instead of becoming a great राजा, better to be a बालिका of childly nature, for the sake of new wikipedians :) .Now I present शब्दरूप of विकिपीडिया (स्त्रीलिंग) herewith:

विकिपीडिया विकिपीडिये विकिपीडियाः (Use it when wikipedia is subject, OR even mentioning the name of विकिपीडिया)

विकिपीडियां विकिपीडिये विकिपीडियाः (Use it for "To wikipedia")

विकिपीडियया विकिपीडियाभ्यां विकिपीडियाभिः (By wikipedia)

विकिपीडियायै विकिपीडियाभ्यां विकिपीडियाभ्यः (For wikipedia)

विकिपीडियायाः विकिपीडिभ्यां विकिपीडियाभ्यः (From wikipedia)

विकिपीडियायाः विकिपीडिययोः विकिपीडियानां (Of wikipedia)

विकिपीडियायां विकिपीडिययोः विकिपीडियासु (In wikipedia OR On wikipedia)

हे विकिपीडिये विकिपीडिये विकिपीडियाः ('O My Dear Wikipedia' :) ).

Because of above-said reasons I used this form of the word in the स्वागत template and other basic objects. So please change the logo accordingly. If somebody still has some doubt then please express it. Thanks. - Hemant wikikosh (चर्चा) १५:०२, ३० जून् २०११ (UTC)

I agree with you. Will wait for some days to enable users to comment. Rao7 •^Talk १०:३५, २ जूलय् २०११ (UTC)

Appeal

Dear fellow editors, I have a few suggestions to make:

• It will be good if we all communicate in Sanskrit onwiki (however ironic may be the fact that I'm typing this out in English), and I think Bhawani Gautam and Shijualex will feel similarly, because they have made similar appeals.
• We must avoid creation of very short articles, and we must give preference to quality over quantity.

I request editors to comment on this and apply it accordingly to their edits. Rao7 •^Talk ०७:५८, २४ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

Important issues. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ०८:०६, २४ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

I think we'll need more comments than that. Rao7 •^Talk ०८:२४, २४ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

एतत् विषयॆ अहम् मैक्लिन्च् महॊदयस्य समर्थनम् कर्तुम् इच्छामि। सर्वॆ प्रबन्धकाः सम्स्कृतॆ एव सम्भाषणम् कुर्वन्तु। - रामप्रियः १७:३७, २४ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

मुख्यपृष्टॆ प्रमुख चित्रम् इति विभागॆण निर्मूलनम्

प्रिय सहसम्पादकाः मुख्यपृष्टॆ प्रमुख कित्रम् इति एकः विभागः विद्यतॆ। अस्मिन् विभागॆ कॆवलम् एकमॆव चित्रम् प्रदर्श्यतॆ। कॊऽपि विश्लॆषणम् या शीर्षक न विद्यतॆ। एतत् विभागस्य कॊऽपि हॆतु न व्यक्त। एतत् विभाग्गस्य निर्मूलनात् पृष्टॆ अधिक रिक्त लभतॆ। कृपया युष्माकम् मन अत्र लिखन्तु। - रामप्रियः १९:४२, २५ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

En : Dear fellow editors, In main page, there is प्रमुख कित्रम् section, which has only one picture and absolutely no description/title. There is no purpose for this section. Removing this section will give us space on the page. Please express your opinions.

Agree. चित्रानी कामन्स् संग्रहालयात् अस्ति। संस्क्रुत विकिपीडियस्य कोपि संबन्धः नास्ति। Rao7 •^Talk ०९:४५, २६ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

N Oppose अहम एतद भजते यत् वयं चित्रे सह परिचय लिखामि।

en:I prefer that we should put the introduction of the picture in Sanskrit. It is a automatic template and help us in updating the main page. We should think to replace it when we will get a very active community. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ १४:१४, २६ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

रामप्रियः was appealing for its removal. Anyway, we have to reduce the size of the box and give a proper caption. Rao7 •^Talk १५:११, २६ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

संस्कृतसंबन्धानि चित्राणि एव उपयोजनियानि इति अहं मन्ये। निदर्शनानि:

संस्कृतसाहित्यसंबन्धचित्राणि :

राजा रवि वर्मना रचितम् शकुन्तलायाः चित्रम्

भारतेतिहाससंबन्धानि चित्राणि: इत्यादीनि। Sarpasarpeti101

I agree with Sarpasarpeti101. Rao7 •^Talk १६:३१, २६ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

यदि वयम् चित्र विभागम् रक्षयितुम् निश्चयम् कर्तारः तदा शीर्षिक समेत चित्रम् प्रकाशयितुम् एवम् सम्स्कृतसम्बन्ध चित्रानि प्रकाशयितुम् मम कोऽपि आक्षेपणम् नास्ति। - रामप्रियः ^{सम्भाषणम्} १८:०५, २६ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

हलन्तस्य उपयोगः

While writing sanskrit the short a sound is pronounced unless its absence is specifically marked by means of a halanta. I request fellow users to follow this norm. ex The article on nakshatra abhijit was titled अभिजित abhijita rather than अभिजित् abhijit. i think this convention should be followed while writing non sanskrit names to Sarpasarpeti101

एतत् विषयॆ मम सम्पूर्ण सम्मतम् मम स्वाभिप्राय च। एतत् विषयॆ अहम् भवानि गौतम् Adroit सम्पादकयॊः सानिध्यॆ चर्चा कृत अस्मि तत्र च तत्र पश्यन्तु। - रामप्रियः ^{सम्भाषणम्} १७:३६, २६ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

noun forms

i think a consensus has to be reached as to the case used in titles of articles and categories. I think the prathama vibhakti or nominative would be the most appropriate. ex. an article on kalidasa should be titled कालिदासः instead of कालिदास। an article on fruits should be titled फलम् instead of फल Sarpasarpeti101

I agree with your proposal. Rao7 •^Talk १६:४६, २६ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

मम समर्थनम् च। परन्तु एकम् उपक्षेप च। कालिदास also should be created and redirected to कालिदासः , it will help in searching for this article. Users need not put the ending ' ः' . - रामप्रियः ^{सम्भाषणम्} १७:४६, २६ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

Plan

I think we should work on stub articles to make the at least 200 words long and concentrate on quality. We should work on the information provided by old Sanskrit books and the past because people search here to get information. We should have plan & project, routine and work division among active community members. Bureaucrat may decide and make a strategic plan if he wish. But it should be acceptable to all active contributors according to their ability.भवानी गौतम ०२:०१, २७ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

I completely agree with your proposal. Very short articles kill small Wikipedias. We must collaborate and develop articles. Rao7 •^Talk ०४:४०, २७ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

Kills? Too funny! But still I agree with you. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ १५:२१, २९ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

Oh you never know it till it happens to you. Never mind, nothing funny about that. Rao7 •^Talk १९:३७, २९ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

actually i was wondering if thr's some kind of a tool availble to chk what do normally people search for in samskrit wiki most importantly, then we could set our priorities on them. this works fine specially for a team like ours at samskrita bharati...can there be some help on the same? Shubhabangalore (चर्चा) ०५:४०, १८ जून् २०११ (UTC)

Well, currently, I don't think there is any such tool. But, I have heard of a similar thing in English Wikipedia (those familiar with WP:DYK would have heard about it). I'll try and find out details about it. Rao7 •^Talk ०९:२६, १८ जून् २०११ (UTC)

चौपालम् इति पदम् सम्स्कृते नास्ति

चौपालम् इति पदस्य एतत् पृष्टशीर्षिके योजितम् अस्ति। परन्तु एतत् शब्दम् मम अभिप्राये सम्स्कृते नास्ति। चौपाल् इति शब्दः हिन्दिभाषायाम् अस्ति सम्स्कृते नास्ति। अतः पृष्टशीर्षिक परिवर्तनम् करणार्थम् मम निवेदनम् समुदायप्रति। नव पृष्टशीर्षिकानि अत्र लिखन्तु।

en:In my opinion(I searched various dictionaries), There is no word called as चौपालम् (which is used in the title of this page) in Sanskrit. There is a word known as चौपाल् in Hindi but I have not come across any such usage in Sanskrit. Hence the title of this page needs to be renamed. Please write your suggestions here. If you think there is indeed such a word in Sanskrit please point to me to the reference. Thanks. - रामप्रियः ^{सम्भाषणम्} १६:१८, ८ जून् २०११ (UTC)

I think उदञ्च would be fine. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ १६:४९, ८ जून् २०११ (UTC)

If the rationale behind naming the community page as Village pump is that village pump is place for the community discussions, then why not we name it as ग्रामस्य वटवृक्षतल(under villages banyan tree) would be apt. My reasoning is that in our villages, usual village community discussions (panchayats) happen under a prominent tree either a banyan or peepul tree. As this is a community page, it makes sense to name it thus. - रामप्रियः ^{सम्भाषणम्} १७:१५, ८ जून् २०११ (UTC)

Well we have to do what is being one on other wikis. The most near language to Sanskrit is Hindi and they also use Village Pump. I agree from you but we will need to discuss this with other wikipedians.

I checked kannada wikipedia and they use what I have suggested. It means under peepul tree. - रामप्रियः ^{सम्भाषणम्} १७:४२, ८ जून् २०११ (UTC)

Yes, its meant to sound as a place where people gather to discuss. Kannada uses "Arali Katte". Note that the new name may not be related to villages or something. Any name having a relevant meaning could be suggested. Rao7 •^Talk १९:५८, ८ जून् २०११ (UTC)

I think विचारस्थल would be best, it will also reflect the extreme vocabulary of the Sanskrit language. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ १०:५३, ९ जून् २०११ (UTC)

I think विचार मण्डपम् is also good. भवानी गौतम १४:१३, ९ जून् २०११ (UTC)

मम समर्थनम् I like it. - रामप्रियः ^{सम्भाषणम्} १८:०३, ९ जून् २०११ (UTC)

समर्थनम्. Rao7 •^Talk ०५:३१, १० जून् २०११ (UTC)

समर्थनम्♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ०७:५३, १० जून् २०११ (UTC)

 Done♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ (चर्चा) १२:५५, १८ जून् २०११ (UTC)

Please comment

Members are requested to please comment on this since this issue is important one, being related to the name of the project: विकिपीडिया अथवा विकिपीडिय.
We should decide on this and go ahead accordingly. Thanks. -Hemant wikikosh (चर्चा) ०९:४१, २० जूलय् २०११ (UTC)

I think that is resolved. There is a general consensus for विकिपीडिय. Regards, ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^{Talk Email} १०:२०, २० जूलय् २०११ (UTC)

विकिपीडिया एव व्यवहारयोग्यम् इति भाति । Shubha (चर्चा) १४:१९, २० जूलय् २०११ (UTC)

महोदये, अपि च स्वमतं प्रकाशयतु यद् भवती तत्पदं स्त्रीलिङ्गे सुष्ठु मन्यते उत वा पुल्लिङ्गे? (मम तु मतं उपर्येव वर्तते)। -Hemant wikikosh (चर्चा) १४:४६, २० जूलय् २०११ (UTC)

स्त्रीलिङ्गसदृशम् इति वक्तुं शक्नोमि । पुंलिङ्गवत् तु न । व्यवहारानुकूलाय आकारान्तरूपम् अङ्गीकुर्मः चेत् वरमिति मन्ये । विदुषाम् अङ्गीकारस्य प्राप्तिः तु संशयास्पदमेव । -Shubha (चर्चा) ११:२५, २१ जूलय् २०११ (UTC)

Pedia means 'knowledge' संस्कृतॆ विद्या इति। पीडिया can thus be treated as स्त्रीलिङ्ग and also rhyme with विद्या :) I vote for विकिपीडियाSamskritasrini (चर्चा) ०८:५६, २२ जूलय् २०११ (UTC)

विदुषाम् अभिप्रायस्य अपेक्षया अस्माकं वाचकानां च उपयॊगित्वं द्रष्टव्यम् इति मम मतम् । संस्कृतविद्वांसः आङ्ग्लपदस्य यॊजनामॆव न अङ्गीकुर्वन्ति । किन्तु विभक्तियॊजनायाः विषयॆ विकिपीडिया एव वरम् । अतः विकिपीडिया इत्यॆव भवेत् ।SumanaKoundinya (चर्चा) ०९:०२, २२ जूलय् २०११ (UTC)

You're right Mr. Koudinya, and moreover विकिपीडिया is a "brand name" of our project, besides being a proper noun. Although in Sanskrit, many times we have to compromise with the original word in favor of sanskitization, but here since we are very comfortable with this word, we shouldn't go for विकिपीडिय type of deviations. -Hemant wikikosh (चर्चा) ०९:३२, २२ जूलय् २०११ (UTC)

I will stand for विकिपीडिय still as its easier to use this word. However the points given by some users says it should be विकिपीडिया, an i agree with them, so I will prefer more users commenting. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^{Talk Email} १०:०४, २२ जूलय् २०११ (UTC)

After so much consensus achieved on (1) विकिपीडिया (2) स्त्रीलिङ्ग usage of the word विकिपीडिया, I request concerned administrator(s)/bureaucrat to kindly do the needful to reestablish this name. I think the previous logo can be restored to re-change the name, and other places can be edited to reflect the change. Respected editors may refer to forms of word विकिपीडिया given above, at विकिपीडिया अथवा विकिपीडिय, if they have any problem. Thanks. -Hemant wikikosh (चर्चा) १०:३४, २२ जूलय् २०११ (UTC)

•  Done--Seeing that there is a consensus to do so, i am changing विकिपीडिय to विकिपीडिया, but it may take time for the change of logo. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^{Talk Email} १२:५५, २२ जूलय् २०११ (UTC)

मुख्यपृष्ठे वार्ता विशेषाङ्कः भूमिकायाः स्थाने

नमस्ते, संस्कृतस्य विकिपीडिया मुख्यपृष्ठे तावत् भूमिकायाः स्थाने दैनिकवार्ताः स्थापयामि इति चिन्तितवान् अस्मि । येन च प्रतिदिनस्य वार्ता संस्कृतेन वयं पठितुं शक्नुमः । अद्यत्वे संस्कृतभाषायाः वार्तापत्रिकाः न सन्ति । अतः यदि संस्कृतस्य विकिपीडिया मुख्यपृष्ठे यदि दैनिकवार्तां योजयामः तर्हि तदाधारेण अद्यतनीनाः विषयाः, नूतनविषयाः च पीडियामध्ये प्राप्तुं शक्नुवन्ति । अद्यत्वे तु केवलं प्राचीनविषयाः एव सन्ति । अतः यदि भवन्तः सर्वेपि सहकुर्वन्तु इति सादरं प्रार्थये । Samvith2011 (चर्चा) ०२:५८, २३ अष्टोबर् २०११ (UTC)

मया पूर्वे एतादृश एकः प्रयासः आरब्ध आसीत्। परमहं अविच्छिन्नतया कर्त्तुं न शक्तवान्। चेद् भवान् एतस्य अविच्छिन्नताऽर्थं सन्नद्धोऽस्ति तदा एतादृश उद्योगः अवश्यमेव कर्त्तव्यः। एतन्नाम स्वागतार्हः अस्ति। -Hemant wikikosh (चर्चा) १५:१४, २३ अष्टोबर् २०११ (UTC)

उत्तमः विचारः । नैरन्तर्येण कर्तुं यदि शक्नुमः तर्हि सफलता तु सुनिश्चिता एव । प्रयतताम् । शम् । शुभा (चर्चा) ०५:२५, २५ अष्टोबर् २०११ (UTC)

Main page news section

Dear all,

I greatly appreciate all of your efforts in reviving news section on the main page. But if you'd notice, I did some edits today, and in connection with that, I'd like to mention a few core principles.

• Remove external links on the main page. (We don't want our visitors to go away to some other site as soon as they land here ;) )
• Stay neutral and verifiable. Our primary aim is not to report news; our aim is to make sure that visitors read our articles on recent events. Now, we don't want unverified information on the main page, because we will receive a lot of criticism for that.

In that light, I would like to propose a few guidelines.

• Each line in the news entered must have at least one valid wikilink (a blue link) to an existing article.
• The wikilinked article should be updated with the recent news, along with (most importantly) a reference from a reliable news source (prominent news channels, newspapers).

I don't seek to make the process too complicated (like on enwiki), but this is just to maintain some verifiability.

Please state your comments below. Rao7 •^Talk ०६:१०, ७ नवम्बर् २०११ (UTC)

Mr. Chidroop has been doing good job in news section. I welcome the preceding suggestions by Mr. Mike and in fact I was having similar sentiments abt news section. My comments go pointwise below:

• External link removal is very much required.
• Neutrality and Verifiability must be there. We must ensure that no POV is there as a news-item. And verifiability is something which adds to quality of our work so whoever adds some news must ensure that it is from a reliable source and presented in a tone which is neutral.
• Having one wikilink at least, per news item, is welcome, but finally it depends upon whether that day one has enough time to make such article or not (because even on Hindi wiki sometimes it becomes difficult, and we have less active users then hiwiki). We can not omit an important news simply because we didn't have related article; though we must try our best for having core articles related to news items. And also ensure that in absence of article also, the news sentence is complete and reliable.
• Wikiliinked article must be updated: no doubt in this.

I hope we will be able to improve in these aspects. -Hemant wikikosh (चर्चा) ०७:००, ७ नवम्बर् २०११ (UTC)

Thanks Hemant, appreciate your points. Yes, I agree its difficult to create an article suddenly, but I suggest creating a stub, if nothing else. This is because we need a reliable news source as a reference, and if we don't have an article, we won't have a place to insert the reference. So, I feel that verifiability is top preference. If we don't get a means to give a reference to a reliable news source, then we don't put it. What say? Rao7 •^Talk ०७:४८, ७ नवम्बर् २०११ (UTC)

I still have doubt in using such compulsion, because even English wiki sometimes gives link to article which has merely tangential mention of the news. Suppose the news is related to space-walk by an astronaut from a spacecraft Y, then any experienced contributor can add this news to main page but to make an article of spacecraft Y, to such a detail that related spacewalks are also mentioned, will certainly require a technically aware writer. English wiki, having large reach, always has enough writers who are sufficiently exposed to any given topic. But here if we impose such policy, some of important news will never enter into the news section because of lack of a qualified article-writer. That said, having an article on each current affair topic is always a welcome improvement. I think we can make this as a guideline but not a compulsory rule. Let us start it as a lax rule and then if successful we can make it compulsory (i.e. having at least one article which gives a reference to the news). Perhaps we can provide reference to one-liner news on the Sanskrit wikinews page (exists as सद्यः कालीन सम्भवाः on this wiki, and is unused nowadays)-Hemant wikikosh (चर्चा) १३:०१, ७ नवम्बर् २०११ (UTC).

I don't mind not having an article. Its the news source I'm worried about. We should not post anything without having a clear news source. How about this: If it is possible to create an article, then the news reference should go there. If creating the article is complex, then the news source should compulsorily be posted on the talk page of the News template, in order for anyone else to verify the material. Rao7 •^Talk १३:२३, ७ नवम्बर् २०११ (UTC)

I don't prefer wikinews as a source, again because its a public wiki, and hence not really reliable. Rao7 •^Talk १३:२५, ७ नवम्बर् २०११ (UTC)

That's good (to post reference on the talk page of the news template). That will make the news compulsorily verifiable without enforcing need for an article. I didn't say that wikinews should be used as the reference, rather I was suggesting that the news' source can be put on such a separate page. Anyway that is sorted out now. I request my fellow Sanskrit wikipedians to adopt this rule/ or suggest their valuable view in this regard if they differ. -Hemant wikikosh (चर्चा) १६:४९, ७ नवम्बर् २०११ (UTC)

Also, looking at today's section, I think we should not post festivals and such things, unless they are noted for some other different news. We could probably have another section for this, something like: "On this day" on enwp, where we list festivals and important days? Rao7 •^Talk १३:२५, ८ नवम्बर् २०११ (UTC)

Closing

Since I see no opposition to this discussion, I am now closing this discussion, the result being that the following guidelines are in force with regards to the News section on the Main page:

• Each news story should preferably have at least one blue linked article. That article should be updated with the recent news, and a reliable news source should be quoted without fail.
• If making a blue link is not possible for any story (due to time constraints), then a reliable news source should be quoted on फलकस्य सम्भाषणम्:मुख्यपृष्ठं - वार्ताः.
• All material should be neutrally worded.

Rao7 •^Talk १५:०२, ११ नवम्बर् २०११ (UTC)