विकिपीडिया:प्रस्तावसभा/पुरालेखः १

Interface Translator

I purpose that we should create a new user group known as Interface Translator, so we can get the interface translated. The criterea for administrator is high, and thats why some users are not able to help. This is let them translate the interface messages. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^Talk १४:११, ९ जूलय् २०११ (UTC)

Support

• ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^Talk १४:११, ९ जूलय् २०११ (UTC)

Oppose

N Strongly oppose! Since this is very opportunistic move. Just to keep his own hegemony over admin rights. This is not my quick inference, but is clear from his prior background (Sorry friends for using such language for him, but this person left no option).
Dear Mr. Vaibhav,
I am just asking whether that "higher criteria" for adminship includes "any" knowledge of Sanskrit OR tell frankly if that "higher criteria" is "the administrator should be able to make a mess of the language", as is evident from your edits. If I pick random edits from your contributions, I can find many silly mistakes and blunders in each one. I usually don't take such type of gesture for other's mistakes. May be, some of our other admins also are not very good at Sanskrit, but I can't dare criticize them, in fact I respect them, because of their good intentions, high values, humane nature and the spirit of service for the wikipedia. My dear friend please mend your attitude. This is not first time, but only a sequel of misbehavior you have been already doing, as pointed out by रामप्रियः while commenting upon ur adminship candidature. If you can understand my real tone, I have no malice for you. Thanks. -Hemant wikikosh (चर्चा) १७:१६, ९ जूलय् २०११ (UTC)

I am completely surprised. I placed this request after my talks with Mike. I request the crat to please take proper action on this. Maybe this is a confusion or a personal attack. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^Talk १७:३२, ९ जूलय् २०११ (UTC)

Friend, see Bhawnani's request, i opposed the first, but supported the second because he needed to participate in discussion. Same i did on your request. I am no one to keep my hegemony over admin rights, we have a crat, an he knows better than us, an he is the most senior. As of Harshavs, his and my relations had been always good. In fact he pointed my mistakes, but they were not intential. The words used by you are not right, and I request you to please refrain using such comments against other users. You are most welcome to comment on edits, but not on editors. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^Talk १८:०४, ९ जूलय् २०११ (UTC)

Cool down guys.

@Vaibhav: Well, this is not a personal attack in a strict sense; more a question of brashness. I mean, come on, you've had harsher comments against you in the RfC! Cool down mate. Maybe you can introspect, and take it with a pinch of salt.

@Hemant: I deeply respect your knowledge of the language. Regarding your comments on Vaibhav Jain, I really cannot make any statement as such; some questions on Vaibhav's behaviour have been raised before, and are being raised right now. Many Indian editors do share your views on this matter. A discussion was opened recently here regarding his behaviour. It would be improper for me (as a bureaucrat here) to comment on his behaviour. I have left a politely worded note on the RfC.

Regarding this particular issue of interface translation, it is true that many system messages are untranslated, as you can see. I believe that this is one of the many possible solutions to the issue; others include translatewiki.net . You are welcome to suggest more options! Of course, you need no explanation, you have done a lot of translation already! :)

Best regards, Rao7 •^Talk १५:३०, १० जूलय् २०११ (UTC)

संस्कृतविषये महनीयानां वचांसि

प्रियमित्राणि,

संस्कृतस्य श्रेष्ठतायाः विषये महनीयाः यद् उक्तवन्तः सन्ति तच्च वचनम् मुखपृष्ठे उल्लिखामः चेत् सर्वेषां प्रेरणायै भवेत् इति धिया मया तादृशं किञ्चित् अत्र ([[१]])सज्जीकृतमस्ति । सुभाषितम्-ज्ञायते किं भवता - इत्यनयोः मध्ये अधः अस्य किञ्चित् स्थलं कल्पयितुं शक्नुमः इति मम चिन्तनम् । किं वदन्ति भवन्तः ?

शुभा (चर्चा) १४:२८, २० दशम्बर् २०११ (UTC)

महद्कथितस्य उचितस्थानं विकिकथितम्/विकिकथितानि/विकिसूक्तयः/Wikiquotes in Sanskrit (उष्णनीडे स्थितम्) भवति। विकिपीडियातु सर्वविज्ञानकोशः। विकिपिडियायाः मुख्यपुटे संस्कृतमहत्वविलंबनस्य आवश्यं नास्ति। Wikiquotes मुख्यपृष्ठे महद्कथितानि योजयतु। इति मामकाभिप्रायः।--नवीनशङ्करः (चर्चा) १६:२०, २० दशम्बर् २०११ (UTC)

Pending MediaWiki namespace changes

There is a request to change the names of MediaWiki namespaces for the Sanskrit language. As this is a change that is hard to undo, we are looking for conformation from the community that this is what you want. The changes can be found in this "Gerrit document".

We are looking for an answer by April 5th. Thanks, Gmeijssen (चर्चा) १०:०८, २५ मार्च् २०१२ (UTC) Originally posted by Gmeijssen at the समुदायप्रवेशद्वारम्. Rao7 •^Talk १८:००, २६ मार्च् २०१२ (UTC)

Redirects from English/Roman script words

First three messages moved from a user talk-page.
Lovy Sighal mahodaya, your contributions to samskrit wiki is certainly commendable. I'm sure Hemant and you together can take this project to better heights. I had a suggestion on template creation which is purely based our requirement. For every new page created, an equivalent page needs to be created whose title is in English and that page is in turn redirected to the original samskrit page. This will help those new comers who are novice to the Samskrit Wikipedia and Devanagari usage in Wikipedia. I was wondering if we can have some template or bot do this job... if not we'll have to manually create such pages and redirect them. Please suggest.

SumanaKoundinya (चर्चा) ०९:२१, २ फ़ेब्रुवरि २०१३ (UTC)

नमस्कार सुमन जी,

Thanks for your appreciation of my little contribution. It's a language that I have always loved but sadly is very scratchy right now because of no practice. Regarding your suggestion to create English title redirects, I think it is not such a good idea because suppose we create a redirect [[United Nations]] for संयुक्‍तराष्‍ट्रसंघ:. Now, this will ofcourse redirect users who search for United Nations to the correct page. However, look at the flip side of things. Suppose a new user, say LS, who has very little knowledge of Sanskrit and is writing on the page about the Kashmir conflict and UN role. Since LS doesn't know much Sanskrit, he simply writes something like कश्मीरविवादे [[United Nations]] अपि हस्तक्षेपमाकरोत्। (Sorry the grammar in my example might be wrong too!) and if we have a redirect from United Nations to संयुक्‍तराष्ट्रसंघ:, then the link is LS' code will appear in blue instead of the current red state and such grammatical errors will only propagate further.

For example, to the best of my knowledge, en.wiki doesn't create redirects with wrong spellings of titles partly for the same reason as above. A better, but technically more challenging, solution can be that we do create such redirects and mark such wrongly titled redirects with a template for some bot where the bot replaces each occurence of the term "United Nations" with "संयुक्तराष्ट्रसंघः" in the text of article pages. That way errors will not propagate and we will be able to help the users too. Another solution might be for someone to tweak with the Searching algorithm of wikipedia with which I'm not too familiar. I hope I was able to explain what I wanted to. Regards, लवी सिंघल: (चर्चा) ११:१७, २ फ़ेब्रुवरि २०१३ (UTC)

I totally agree with your logic Lovy Singhalji, with respect to new article creation or editing an existing page by a new user. But I was thinking from searchability perspective. Newcomers might not be able to search in devanagari fonts directly. For example if we have a page भारतम्, we will create a page "bhaaratam"and redirect it to भारतम्. In fact in the early stages of this project, Shiju Alex also suggested this to us and they have been doing the same activity in Malayalam and Tamil Wikipedia too. My request was put up in this context. We could discuss the pros and cons of this with Hemant and the community as well if required. SumanaKoundinya (चर्चा) ०७:५२, ४ फ़ेब्रुवरि २०१३ (UTC)

Sumana ji, Namaskar. Your suggestion needs to be looked in two different perspective. Perhaps u r talking abt non-Hindi, non-Marathi users who don't know Devanagari well (e.g.- Telugu, Tamil users). For that purpose, user:Saurabh Bharati had initiated a program, which could directly convert the entire display from Devanagari to any Indic script. But I don't know what is current status of it. If that happens there would not be any need for that type of redirects. And that is of course cheaper solution, because even typing भारतम् may be ambiguous, 'Bharatam' or 'Bhaaratam' or 'BhAratam'? New user will have to guess wildly.

In second perspective, we can think of having redirects from English words themselves. It can be doable. If a user doesn't know the Sanskrit word for something, we may provide English equivalent of the same. This will be helpful. e.g. if someone doesn't know what is word for 'browser', (s)he may type 'browser', and get the article 'गवेषकम्'. This is an idea even pondered upon on Hindi wiki also. We may try implement it as time permits.

As far as mistakes of red link becoming blue link is concerned, we normally check novice users' edits, so not a problem. Moreover new users normally don't know whether a link should look red or blue (even I didn't know when I started on wikipeida), what they know is the obvious fact that in a Sanskrit wikipedia article, Sanskrit words should be used. :) . (Just joking). Thanks and any further comments r welcome.-Hemant wikikosh (चर्चा) ०८:३०, ५ फ़ेब्रुवरि २०१३ (UTC)

Thanks for the comments and suggestion, Hemanthji, Entire display getting transliterated is comparatively better option to the issue raised by me. Can we get some updates on that from Saurabh, or if something could be done by us please let me know. However, your second suggestion is something that an experienced editor in samskrit with fair knowledge of english can do, I guess. For now, let us wait and hear others speak on this. SumanaKoundinya (चर्चा) १२:५९, ५ फ़ेब्रुवरि २०१३ (UTC)

Languages in censuses

Hello, Dear wikipedians. I invite you to edit and improve this article and to add information about your and other country.--Kaiyr (चर्चा) १२:३३, ३१ अक्तूबर २०१४ (UTC)

मम प्रयोगपृष्ठम् इत्यस्य अग्रे gif चित्रस्थापनम्

सर्वेभ्यः संस्कृतविकिपिडीया-योजकेभ्यः मम नमस्काराः । gif चित्रं मम प्रयोगपृष्ठम् इत्यस्य अग्रे स्थापयामः इति मे प्रस्तावः अस्ति । अत्र भवन्तः दृष्टं शक्नुवन्ति यत्, चित्रस्थापनाय को़ड् अपि सज्जः अस्ति । रहेमानुद्दीन-महोदयेन अस्माकं कृते साराल्यं कृत्वा सर्वं स्थापितम् अस्ति । एतत् चित्रं यदि अस्माकं प्रयोगपृष्ठस्य अग्रे भविष्यति, तर्हि निम्नाः लाभाः भविष्यन्ति ।

1. आकर्षणे वृद्धिः । उदा. तेलुगुविकिपीडियाजालं गच्छन्तु ।

2. gif चित्रम् अस्ति । तेन नवीनानां ध्यानं सहसा तत्र गमिष्यति ।

3. मम दृष्टिः सर्वदा नूतनपरिवर्तनानिपृष्ठे एव भवति । मया अनुभूतं यत्, तत्र यानि परिवर्तनानि भवन्ति, तेषु अनेकानि प्रयोगात्मिकानि भवन्ति । नवीनाः मम प्रयोगपृष्ठस्य बहुधा उपयोगं न कुर्वन्ति । यदि चित्रं स्थापयामः, तर्हि सहसा सर्वेषां ध्यानम् अपि तत्र गमिष्यति । सर्वे एकवारं तु तत्र नुदित्वा द्रक्ष्यन्ति एव किम् अस्ति तत्र इति । एवं सरलरीत्या प्रयोगपृष्ठस्य उपयोगं कर्तुं सर्वे प्रेरिताः भविष्यन्ति ।

4. मुख्यलेखेषु व्यर्थसम्पादनेषु न्यूनता भविष्यति ।

5. शीर्षकस्य विषये लेखकः अधिकं चिन्तयितुम् अवसरं प्राप्स्यति, येन अशुद्धानां शीर्षकाणां निर्माणे न्यूनता भविष्यति ।

भवन्तः स्वमतम् अधः यच्छन्तु । धन्यवादाः । ॐNehalDaveND^•✉•✎ ११:२८, २७ मार्च २०१५ (UTC)

समर्थनम्

1. समर्थनम्Y - Udit Sharma (चर्चा) ११:४८, २७ मार्च २०१५ (UTC)
2. समर्थनम्Y - बालमुकुन्दः दवे (चर्चा) ०९:०९, १२ जनवरी २०१६ (UTC)
3. समर्थनम्Y - प्रतिमा (चर्चा) ०९:१०, १२ जनवरी २०१६ (UTC)
4. समर्थनम्Y - Yograj (चर्चा) ०९:११, १२ जनवरी २०१६ (UTC)

तटस्थः

@TS sreehari इत्येषः सदस्यः संस्कृतविकिपीडिया-जाले किमपि विशेषं कार्यं नाकरोत् । तथापि अनेन विरोधः प्रदर्शितः इत्यस्मिन् विषये एव मे शङ्का अस्ति । केवलम् एतसय सदस्यत्वं विरोधं कर्तुं तु नाभवद् इति । द्वितीयं तस्य तर्कः अपि अतीव अयोगः प्रतीयते । अहं तु अधिकं वक्तुं न शक्नोमि । परन्तु तस्य लेखनेन प्रतीयते यत्, सः यथा कथञ्चिद् अपि विरोधाय आगतः । तस्य विरोधविषये मे संशयः अस्ति यतो हि तस्य अनुचितः संशयः अस्ति यत्, योजकानां भ्रमः भविष्यति इति । अधुना सः पुनः किमपि वक्तुं नागमिष्यति इति अहं जानामि । यतः सः केवलम् एतस्य कार्यस्य कृते एव आगतः आसीत् । तथापि अहं तटस्थतया किमपि वक्तुम् इच्छामि ।

1. अधुना अङ्कपरिवर्तनम्, सदस्यपृष्ठं, सूचना, सन्देशः इत्येतेषु पृष्ठेषु अग्रे चिह्नम् अस्ति एव । तर्हि तस्य तत्र किमर्थं भ्रमः नाभवत् ?
2. मलयालम-विकि-जनाः सर्वाधिकाः सक्रियाः सदस्याः सन्ति भारतीयभाषासु । तेषां निर्णयस्य सम्माननम् अकृत्वा, एषः 6 सम्पादननानि कृतवान् सदस्यः विरोधं दर्शयितुं शक्नोति उत न इति अहं न जाने । परन्तु मलयाम-जनैः कृतः निर्णयः एतावान् अपि मूर्खतापूर्णः न स्यात् इति अहं मन्ये ।
3. नेहलमहोदयः तु अतीव सरलः अस्ति । स्वस्य 5000 अधिकानि सम्पादनानि आसन्, तस्मिन् काले एषः 6 सम्पादनकृतः जनः विरोधम् अकरोत् । तथापि नेहलमहोदयः भवतु न कुर्मः इति वदति इति महोदयस्य दोषः । तस्मिन् समये महोदयेन वक्तव्यम् आसीत् यत्, मतं दातुं किञ्चित् कार्यम् अपि करणीयं भवति (सकारात्मकं कार्यम्) ।
4. यदि अत्र बहुमतं भवति, तर्हि नेहलमहोदयाय निवेदनं यत् शीघ्रातिशीघ्रम् एतत् कार्यं करोति इति । Sshihora (चर्चा) ०९:३५, १२ जनवरी २०१६ (UTC)

असमर्थनम्

N पाठकानाम् आकर्षकत्वं वर्धिष्यते इति चिन्तनं कदाचित् समीचीनं न स्यात् । यतोहि प्रथमवारं प्रविष्टस्य योजकस्य विकिपरिमण्डलविषये ज्ञानं न भवति । प्रयोगपृष्ठमिति option दृष्टैव ज्ञातुमर्हति यदिदं पृष्ठं प्रायोगिकं वर्तते । तत्र gif file स्थापनेन कदाचित् तस्य संशयोऽपि जायेत – किन्निमित्तमिदं पृष्ठं ? विशेषपृष्ठमिति वा ? मम कृते नेत्यादयः बहवप्रश्नाः उदेयुः । एते विषयाः विचारणीयाः इति मे मतम् । लाभापेक्षया भ्रमजनकी भवति इयं व्यवस्था । एतस्मात् प्रस्तावस्यास्य विरुद्धाभिमतमेव मे आश्रयः ।-TS sreehari (चर्चा) ०७:१०, ३१ मार्च २०१५ (UTC)

धन्यवादः महोदय... भवतु तथैव न स्थापयिष्यामः । अस्तु ॐNehalDaveND^•✉•✎ १२:४८, ३१ मार्च २०१५ (UTC)

निर्णयः

सर्वेषाम् आग्रहत्वात् अस्य प्रस्तावस्य अनुमोदनं क्रियते । यथाशीघ्रं चित्रं द्रष्टुं शक्ष्यति भवन्तः । अस्तु । ॐNehalDaveND•✉•✎ १३:५२, १२ जनवरी २०१६ (UTC)