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Sysop[सम्पादयतु]

Can i become a sysop on Pali wikipedia. I am th 2nd biggest user there by contributions. Vaibhav Jain १५:१६, १४ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

I guess you can. Just ask around there. Yes Michael?Talk १५:४३, १४ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

Please support me at pi:Wikipedia talk:Sysop as there is no community. Vaibhav Jain १०:२२, १५ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

Can you tell how can I become a Indic Sysop. I am the second biggest contributor to this wiki and biggest on the Pali wiki. I think that I may lack of experience. Vaibhav Jain ०८:०७, १६ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

I think you need a lot more experience. Sa and Pi are small wikis, but many others like Hi, Kn, Ml and Bn are very large. You'll probably need months more of experience. Yes Michael?Talk ०८:१०, १६ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

Shijualex[सम्पादयतु]

Shijualex chatted with me. He told to edit this page: विकिपीडिया:Wikimedia India Newsletter/2011 June/Community News/sa This is for wikimedia india newsletter. Please add all the happening to it and tell others also to help in it. He also told me some points for this wiki:

  1. Create good articles
  2. Discuss all topics in Sanskrit
  3. Have a good community
  4. Organize online or offline workshops
  5. Create few hundered articles that are relevant for sanskrit speakers
) Vaibhav Jain ११:५०, १६ मेय् २०११ (UTC)
Seems good. Will update it in a week, as I am busy. Yes Michael?Talk १५:२७, १६ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

administrator discussion[सम्पादयतु]

I have posted a question for you there. Adroit09 ०४:५३, १७ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

 Thanks for your reply. But another comment awaits you there. :) --Adroit09 १७:३९, १७ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

Congrats on being appointed the Administrator. I am sorry if my questions irritated you. But i felt, it would be great to ask them before supporting. --Adroit09 १९:०२, १९ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

What do you think about it?[सम्पादयतु]

A just saw that most of the Nepali users have a good knowledge of Sanskrit. I thought of conducting a Nepal week on this wiki. We can contact the Nepali wiki embassy and ask Nepali users to improve the coverage of Nepal related articles on SA wiki. I need the approval of some of the users. Please tell what do you think of it. This will also help us to build a good community. Vaibhav Jain ०८:२५, १७ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

Go ahead! Do try and get some of them to edit. Yes Michael?Talk ०८:५७, १७ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

Should I get the approval of some other users also? Vaibhav Jain ०९:०२, १७ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

No, there is no need. Yes Michael?Talk ०९:०७, १७ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

Please take a look at विकिपीडिया:दूतावासः/Embassy/Nepal Week, I have pasted this notice on th embassy and the administrator's talk pages on the Nepali wiki. Please tell on which MediaWiki page i have to paste this notice so It can come on every page just like that notice regarding th trustee elections. Vaibhav Jain १०:०८, १७ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

Ah, that I'll try and find out. Yes Michael?Talk १५:३३, १७ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

I think you should place the administrator request now on meta. Vaibhav Jain १५:३५, १७ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

It is usual practice to wait 7 days I think. Yes Michael?Talk १५:४२, १७ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

Yup, no problem in waiting. Please edit विकिपीडिया:Wikimedia India Newsletter/2011 June as we have to prepare it in one week. Vaibhav Jain १५:४५, १७ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

Please support this. It has only got 1 neutral and 1 accept vote by th jury. Please help! Please!! Vaibhav Jain १६:००, १७ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

Where is the voting by the jury? Yes Michael?Talk १६:०३, १७ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

http://wikimania2011.wikimedia.org/wiki/Schedule/Submission_review Vaibhav Jain १६:०७, १७ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

Supporting this now will make no difference. Yes Michael?Talk १६:१३, १७ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

Other jury members are still to analyse. Vaibhav Jain १६:१५, १७ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

WHAT TO DO?[सम्पादयतु]

Sarpasarpeti101 created some pages with texts like ह्ह्ह्, bब्ब्, व्व्. I have deleted all those pages. Please tell what o do with him, Warn or anything else? Vaibhav Jain १५:२३, १८ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

Leave him a note, saying that he might have created them by mistake, and tell him to avoid creating such pages in the future. Be gentle. Yes Michael?Talk १६:३४, १८ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

I have updated the criteria for Adminship. Please have a look. Can I become a crat now, I have got pretty much of experience. Vaibhav Jain १५:५०, १८ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

I created those articles purposefully as i plan to fill them up later Sarpasarpeti101

Please tell your views[सम्पादयतु]

Please tell your views on विकिपीडियासम्भाषणम्:प्रशासक#Vibhijain_2. Vaibhav Jain १६:१५, १८ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

Crat?[सम्पादयतु]

Just saw that HPN made you a crat without the knowledge of the community. I am happy that you have been made the crat but at least voting should had been done. Vaibhav Jain ०७:०९, १९ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

This is a very serious issue, I am also thinking of requesting removal of HPN as crat as he is inactive from 5 years. I respect his contributions and removal of his crat rights would not be a bad thing I think. Vaibhav Jain ०८:४५, १९ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

I'm neutral on this issue, but I think he helped create this Wiki in the first place, I think he should retain the flags, as a mark of respect. If you feel the need, put up a discussion, and let the community decide. Yes Michael?Talk ०८:४९, १९ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

Leave it. I think you should request crat rights from the community, if they support you, then you can have the crat rights and if not, then you can ask the meta to remove it. :) Vaibhav Jain ०८:५२, १९ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

It was mainly done so that we can handle requests locally instead of going to the Stewards everytime. Policy requires some active crats to be there. Yes Michael?Talk ०९:०१, १९ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

But those crats have to be chosen by the community. Vaibhav Jain ०९:०४, १९ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

Not necessarily. However if the community votes on the removal, I can do little. Yes Michael?Talk ०९:०५, १९ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

Most will like you to be the crat, but because of your less contributions (220, 110 of them ar on Usertalk, just 60 on articles), some may oppose, it would be better if you place a request, it would make a better sense. Vaibhav Jain ०९:०९, १९ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

Yes, I can see the counts thank you :). There must have been some rationale behind his decision; again, I come with considerable Wikipedia experience, but if the community requests my removal, I can do little about it. Yes Michael?Talk ०९:२४, १९ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

Add new ideas[सम्पादयतु]

Please add new options to विकिपीडियासम्भाषणम्:वार्ताय व्यतिकर. Vaibhav Jain ०७:१५, १९ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

Second?[सम्पादयतु]

According to the policy, there have to be 2 active crats. If we see through all the activ users, only Harshavs an Sarpasarpeti101 have experience to get this right as you are already a crat and all the users voted against me when I placed a requst. Sarpa101 do not participate in discussions, so I think Harshavs should be made the crat. :) Vaibhav Jain १०:३०, १९ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

It seems so prima facie. Yes Michael?Talk १०:३९, १९ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

Prima facie makes no sense, it will make the sentence,'It seems so at first sight'. Please tell in a simpler sentence. :) Vaibhav Jain १०:४२, १९ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

Your observations are accurate prima facie. Yes Michael?Talk १०:४४, १९ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

I can still make 2 or 3 meanings from it. kripya karke aasaan shabdo mein kahiye. :p :) Vaibhav Jain १०:४७, १९ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

Hehe. Alright. I meant to say that, at the moment, what you say is right, but we have to wait for some time before we can act on it. Yes Michael?Talk १०:४९, १९ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

Finally! Okay. Vaibhav Jain १०:५१, १९ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

Policies[सम्पादयतु]

I just thought that we need to make some local policies like we have on administrators. This will help to fulfill th needs of this wiki better. Vaibhav Jain ११:५४, १९ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

Yes, that is true. Will do some research and decide on our priorities. Yes Michael?Talk १४:५०, १९ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

Automatic[सम्पादयतु]

I have updated th सुभाषितम् section. Now सुभाषितम् will change automatically and each सुभाषितम् will come again after 31 days. Vaibhav Jain १२:१८, १९ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

सुभाषितानि[सम्पादयतु]

Could you please let me know the details (in English) of that book --Shijualex १२:३४, १९ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

Thats not a book. सुभाषितानि means eloquent speech. Vaibhav Jain १२:४०, १९ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

In that case that needs to go to Sanskrit Wikiquotes, not on wikisource or wikibooks. So as of now you can add those to incubator. We shall move to Sanskrit wikiquotes once it is created. --Shijualex १४:५५, १९ मेय् २०११ (UTC)
All the shlokas of Mahabharata, Ramayana should be moved to Wikiquote but that would be a very big transfer. I need the approval for it. Vaibhav Jain १४:५९, १९ मेय् २०११ (UTC)
I was enquiring about the main page. Yes Michael?Talk १५:००, १९ मेय् २०११ (UTC)
I know. But I was asking Shijualex about the shlokas in Wikisource. They should be in Wikiquote. whats your opinion? Vaibhav Jain १५:०४, १९ मेय् २०११ (UTC)
Well, not exactly. If we look at that way, then the whole of Mahabharata has to be transferred to Wikiquote. We have to strike a balance here and decide what exactly is a "quote". Yes Michael?Talk १५:१६, १९ मेय् २०११ (UTC)
See en:Shloka, according to this, mahabharata and ramayana are made of Shloka. If we takes Shloka as quotations then we may need to move. Vaibhav Jain १५:२१, १९ मेय् २०११ (UTC)
Then that would be highly inappropriate. Mahabharata and Ramayana are widely considered prose (though it is not exactly so). Yes Michael?Talk १५:२२, १९ मेय् २०११ (UTC)
Shloka means verse. where do we add verses? Vaibhav Jain १५:२४, १९ मेय् २०११ (UTC)


MikeLynch, It doesn't need to be shown on the main page of Wikisource if the content is not suitable for Sanskrit Wikisource. Remember Wikipedia/wikisource is not a Sanskrit portal. So you cannot have all type of Sanskrit texts in one wiki. You need to move the Sanskrit texts to the respective wikis according to its category. --Shijualex १५:५५, १९ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

Shiju, I meant main page of Wikipedia. Something like Motto of the day (on enwiki). I think I've figured it out. Thanks! Yes Michael?Talk १५:४१, १९ मेय् २०११ (UTC)
//Motto of the day (on enwiki)//
Where is it in enwiki? Motto of the day is a wiki project in en wiki. Not like the one you are trying to do.--Shijualex १५:५५, १९ मेय् २०११ (UTC)
I know, its not a good analogy, but well, see, I plan to include one shloka everyday on the main page. Yes Michael?Talk १६:०८, १९ मेय् २०११ (UTC)


//All the shlokas of Mahabharata, Ramayana should be moved to Wikiquote//

Vaibhav, How do do you come to that conclusion? Mahabharata, Ramayana and similar books should be in Wikisource itself. I was talking about the subhashithams the nature of which is different.

//I need the approval for it. //

What type of approval you require? The whole community need to work towards that. The approval for wikiquote will be given only if you translate the relevant system messages to Sanskrit and you have a sizable community to work on it. --Shijualex १५:३७, १९ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

I think that it is a misunderstanding! I am asking for the approval of moving the pages from Wikisource to Wikiquote incubator version. :) Vaibhav Jain १५:४०, १९ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

Verses[सम्पादयतु]

I asked a admin on English Wikisource about the verses of Mahabharata and Ramayana. The conversation is here. Vaibhav Jain ०९:३५, २० मेय् २०११ (UTC)

Thanks[सम्पादयतु]

Thanks for editing the community news. We have to gt it ready by Sunday. :) Vaibhav Jain ११:२२, २० मेय् २०११ (UTC)

Okay. Where are we submitting it exactly? Rao7Talk ११:२३, २० मेय् २०११ (UTC)
Shijualex will review this page and all this information will com in the newsletter. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ १४:३१, २० मेय् २०११ (UTC)
Don't you think that the community news is too much about Samskrutha Bharati. Sanskrutha Bharati people are still not very active on this wiki. How can the credit of increase of article count from 4000 to 4750 given to Samskrita Bharati. It needs to be wikify as all this will com in the newsletter. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ १४:४६, २० मेय् २०११ (UTC)
Please tell your views as we have to gt it ready by Sunday. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ १५:०३, २० मेय् २०११ (UTC)
Well, yes, that is true. Most of them have not been active lately; but the fact that workshops were conducted needs to be highlighted. Rao7Talk १५:०४, २० मेय् २०११ (UTC)

Virtual Meetup[सम्पादयतु]

I plan to organize a virtual meetup in which we can discuss the issues of this wiki as there are many issues as of today. We can have this meetup by IRC or Yahoo! Messenger. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ १२:४०, २१ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

IRC is the usual medium preferred. Just a day's notice is too short. Give a few days notice to editors at least. Rao7Talk १३:५४, २१ मेय् २०११ (UTC)
I have just planned. Needs approval. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ १३:५६, २१ मेय् २०११ (UTC)
Is there any IRC channel for Sa wiki? ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ १४:१०, २१ मेय् २०११ (UTC)
Got it, its #wikipedia-sa. Meanwhile we both can have some discussion there. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ १४:१५, २१ मेय् २०११ (UTC)
Sorry not now. Am in college. Rao7Talk १४:३५, २१ मेय् २०११ (UTC)
8'o clock and college! OK! Study and study!! :) ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ १४:३७, २१ मेय् २०११ (UTC)
Hope you are not busy now. :) Please com on IRC {#wikipedia-sa} so we can discuss some issues. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ०७:२५, २२ मेय् २०११ (UTC)
Yes, I am there. Rao7Talk ०७:३१, २२ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

Crat[सम्पादयतु]

Please refer my conversation with Vaibhav here. Please tell me how much time daily/weekly am I expected to be available for Wikipedia. Based on that I will be able to take a decision. - रामप्रियः १२:३४, २२ मेय् २०११ (UTC)

As a bureaucrat, it will be good if you could check in twice in a week. Honestly speaking, there is not much of bureaucrat activities you will be doing. Let me tell you what a bureaucrat can do as a part of his technical abilities.
  • Grant the administrator and bureaucrat userrights to users.
  • Grant IP Block exemptions to users.
  • Rename users.
Now, these things happen very rarely. It is not everyday that a user asks for admin tools or crat rights. Hence, it is not necessary for you to be online very frequently.
Admins and bureaucrats are also expected to mediate in discussions, and try to make peace.
And policy requires two bureaucrats to be active, so that permissions can be granted locally. This way, we don't have to go to meta everytime someone requests to be an admin.
However, if you do not edit for long periods of time, say, 5-6 months, then the userright may be removed. But if you plan on remaining active, then this may be right for you. Rao7Talk १३:१६, २२ मेय् २०११ (UTC)
Agrees with you Swaroop, but a crat also has do the work of a admin. Currently Harshavs is not a admin so he will have to give some time for it. Let Harshavs now make the decision. Good to see that MBA students also r working on sa wiki. :) ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ १३:२८, २२ मेय् २०११ (UTC)
In that case, I can manage to devote judicious time to Wikipedia. I will remain active everyday in spite of my studies. You do need breaks from studies, isn't it? So now, would I have to place a request for cratship before the community ? - रामप्रियः १६:१०, २२ मेय् २०११ (UTC)
Yes, I will be becoming an engineer myself, so I know how it feels :P . Yes, You have to place a request before the community. Rao7Talk १८:५८, २२ मेय् २०११ (UTC)
अहम् प्रशासक भवतुम् समुदायप्रति निवॆदनम् निर्मितः कृपया तव अभिप्रायम् यत्र यच्छतु। - रामप्रियः ०९:४५, २४ मेय् २०११ (UTC)